tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post4660327325337071484..comments2024-02-25T21:57:57.876-08:00Comments on "Seven Hells!": Crisis Of Infinite BirthsDevon Sandershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08223057696498728357noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-17924854725428006282007-09-25T12:26:00.000-07:002007-09-25T12:26:00.000-07:00Is the Lar Gand/Mon-El/Valor "seeding of worlds" s...Is the Lar Gand/Mon-El/Valor "seeding of worlds" still canon? I don't think so, but I've only read about the first year of the "Threeboot" Legion.<BR/><BR/>Devon is absolutely right that it was one of the best pieces of retconning ever. Not only did it make an assload of sense for replacing Superboy, it even explained the part of the Legion that always stuck in my craw: how hundreds of planets in the 30th century had human populations that all shared particular super-powers. Simple, direct, elegant.<BR/><BR/>Plus, Lar Gand had the best honorific superhero name ever. Imagine encountering a legendary superguy so badass that he is known as "Valor." <BR/><BR/>You know what you're getting when you face off against a man named Valor: unrelenting whoopass. Sweet.Harvey Jerkwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118848012122050416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-37782802360800718902007-09-21T11:33:00.000-07:002007-09-21T11:33:00.000-07:00You can throw Pariah, Harbinger and Lady Quark int...You can throw Pariah, Harbinger and Lady Quark into <I>Crisis</I>'s "not so much" file.<BR/><BR/>I'd also group the Wally West Flash with <I>Crisis,</I> but I can see why you'd put him in <I>Legends.</I> <I>Legends </I> *does* seem like the most influential of these six, but very little of it would have been possible without <I>Crisis,</I> IMO. Though the Suicide Squad would rock on <I>any</I> Earth.Rob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07331286524477806963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-51258664644520472642007-09-21T11:08:00.000-07:002007-09-21T11:08:00.000-07:00The (first) Crisis event is the only one that's ha...The (first) Crisis event is the only one that's had a lasting effect. <BR/><BR/>The off-shoots from Legends had the most success, and those titles that you mentioned (as well as character revamps like Superman and Captain Marvel) have had the most impact on the DCU.<BR/><BR/>Millenium was the hugest disappointment, and I'll agree with Christopher that it was ugly and dull (and that "No man escapes the Manhunters" is really the only good thing to come of it).<BR/><BR/>Invasion was probably my favourite of them all, because, well, it's a massive alien coalition taking the offense and attempting to destroy Earth before it's massive output of metahumans ruin the galaxy... brilliant, fun, and pretty much self-contained.<BR/><BR/>2001 was fun, but forgettable, and was essentially a DC "what if" or "Elseworlds" before Elseworlds existed (which would be the 2004 Annual inspiration, iirc).<BR/><BR/>Eclipso was decent, but yes, its lack of impact has left it overshadowed by the others that preceded it.KENT!https://www.blogger.com/profile/00182281723355828663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-86841020896182464472007-09-21T08:50:00.000-07:002007-09-21T08:50:00.000-07:00Hey Devon-Millennium *did* produce a failed superh...Hey Devon-<BR/>Millennium *did* produce a failed superhero team, those neo-Guardians that Ganthet tried to sponsor. Failed experiment quickly forgotten but it did contribute <I>something</I> (however minor) to the DCU.<BR/><BR/>Kind of interesting to see how few of these ginormous crossover mega-events had any lasting impact. I suspect it's because comics are by their nature a kind of storytelling that rejects huge and permanent changes. <BR/><BR/>- Reed and Ben were both severely scarred in FF-- and it lasted a few issues, then vanished. <BR/><BR/>- The Hulk came back from Secret War I on a crutch and was all better in one issue.<BR/><BR/>- Spider-Man gets an all-black costume that later morphs into a major villain (possibly the one outcome of a Marvel event that's had lasting repercussions).<BR/><BR/>Interested analysis... good work!<BR/>DrewDrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12009326285717799071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-12855659985558630432007-09-21T08:22:00.000-07:002007-09-21T08:22:00.000-07:00So are Zero Hour and the Final Night in the next i...So are Zero Hour and the Final Night in the next installment?ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-54021393881679484932007-09-21T06:59:00.000-07:002007-09-21T06:59:00.000-07:00Well, any book that reintroduces Guy Gardner has t...Well, any book that reintroduces Guy Gardner has to be tops in my heart, so I go with Crises all the way. <BR/><BR/>I actually rather liked Invasion too.<BR/><BR/>Millenium was a bit on the...dull side.SallyPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592635194271250605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-84681964486640404152007-09-20T19:13:00.000-07:002007-09-20T19:13:00.000-07:00Eclipso also killed off the Will Patton Starman, w...Eclipso also killed off the Will Patton Starman, which was good on two levels: 1) He was annoying, 2) It cleared the way for Robinson's series.<BR/><BR/>It's hard to argue with the New Guardians as the worst thing to ever come out of an event crossover. I mean, crossovers spin off new books all the time, but the SOLE purpose of Millenium was to launch The New Guardians. Then their book got cancelled, and various members were killed off over the years with little fanfare.<BR/><BR/>"No man escapes the Manhunters!" was pretty cool, though.Scotushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15722727764493748172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-18388784134296784302007-09-20T14:21:00.000-07:002007-09-20T14:21:00.000-07:00I've never read Millenium, but the crossover issue...I've never read Millenium, but the crossover issues I've read are all ridiculous. Rocket Red is a Manhunter! Flash's Dad is a Manhunter! It was all mercifully forgotten, though, so I don't know how much of a negative contribution it actually had.<BR/><BR/>I'm not all that crazy about Invasion, but it did bring about good things like the end of Kupperberg's Doom Patrol (and, consequently, the beginning of Morrison's) and some great developments in JLI (Fire's new powers, Max's mind control, JLE). So it's tops in my book.Anthony Strandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170406011301084809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-12387195807972234052007-09-20T13:47:00.000-07:002007-09-20T13:47:00.000-07:00BEST: Crisis on Infinite Earths-reset and establis...BEST: Crisis on Infinite Earths-reset and established the "modern" DCU as its been known since 1986. Pre1986 DCU was a very different place.<BR/><BR/>WORST: Millenium. Awful characters. Terrible waste of a GREAT bad guy (the Manhunters) and as much as I like Steve Englehart and Joe Staton..ugh..an awful looking book....Plus, some of the worst ethnic stereotype characters invented since Vibe....the flaming gay Spanish guy, the computer incarnate Japanese guy-called RAM no less, ugh...<BR/><BR/>Plus it was the Manhunters that made them kill the Outsiders' host scientist Dr. Jace!ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784970666468925633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-26650794698105523342007-09-20T13:46:00.000-07:002007-09-20T13:46:00.000-07:00Whoa...long thought out posts? I must have wander...Whoa...long thought out posts? I must have wandered into Those Wednesdays on accident.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08558559691963639123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-13170000867273678992007-09-20T13:43:00.000-07:002007-09-20T13:43:00.000-07:00Well I have a special place in my heart for Invasi...Well I have a special place in my heart for Invasion because I have pieced together a lot of the story from disparate places. Had read like5 or 6 tie-in issue before I ever read the actual series itself.It defiantly seemed the best of the lot and was much more plausible then they whole "everyone is a Manhunter" crap of Millennium (especially the Legion crossover issue)<BR/><BR/>But in any case:<BR/><BR/>Legends probably had the most impact since it set up a ton of titles that had really long runs, and was the beginning of the new DCU.<BR/><BR/>Also the impact of Invasion! was contained to only 4 titles that survived at any length (JLE, Legion of Superheros, L.E.G.I.O.N. and Valor) Millennium was crap and Elipso and Armageddon have only affected the JSA<BR/><BR/><BR/>So in my rather long winded response... Legends has had the greatest impact (even though Armageddon did help to set up Zero Hour) and Millennium was the worstYonatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09186451479519384504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12109838.post-38268495771787195512007-09-20T13:33:00.000-07:002007-09-20T13:33:00.000-07:00I didn't enter the DCU until 1992 (I was one of th...I didn't enter the DCU until 1992 (I was one of those that jumped on during the Death of Superman hype), so I wasn't reading during any of these crossovers. The only one I've read in it's entirety is Crisis on Infinite Earths, so that has to be my favorite. All the characters you mentioned, plus the female Dr. Light!<BR/><BR/>My least favorite has to be the Hawk/Monarch deal. Later leading to Extant and all that goes with it. <BR/><BR/>I may get simultaneously banned on all the comic blogs I post on, but I actually liked Bloodlines. I even bought Bloodpack when that came out.Patrick Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04244280974612331889noreply@blogger.com